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		<title>By: respectful</title>
		<link>http://charleseisenstein.net/an-alien-at-the-tech-conference/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>respectful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that many engineers are like children in their fascination with new toys, but I beg to differ on Charles&#039;s calling them out on it. I have noticed that &quot;connectedness&quot; does not always foster good communication, especially with mobile devices, because people are often doing other things simultaneously so they take shortcuts which truncate their thoughts. To the recipient, often their speech is unrecognizable due to the limited range of the microphone, their careless handling of the device, ambient noise, and their sloppy pronunciation. The inconvenience of small keypads limits it further. Then there&#039;s the problem of being connected to one&#039;s friends or contacts while being totally disconnected from other people in one&#039;s immediate surroundings, which increases the separation the latter feels. What bothers me about videoconferencing is the likelihood of worse rude behavior as people will be engaged more viscerally through their electronic devices while oblivious to everyone else locally, plus the obvious segregation created between the haves and have-nots. Finally, who will benefit most from these devices? ...giant telecoms and corporate users. This could hog bandwidth, further entrench the telecoms&#039; and corporations&#039; domination of trade, and increase their power to track, exploit, and surveil users. It could also disqualify those who do not possess the devices from getting jobs. Technology is a double-edged sword.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that many engineers are like children in their fascination with new toys, but I beg to differ on Charles&#8217;s calling them out on it. I have noticed that &#8220;connectedness&#8221; does not always foster good communication, especially with mobile devices, because people are often doing other things simultaneously so they take shortcuts which truncate their thoughts. To the recipient, often their speech is unrecognizable due to the limited range of the microphone, their careless handling of the device, ambient noise, and their sloppy pronunciation. The inconvenience of small keypads limits it further. Then there&#8217;s the problem of being connected to one&#8217;s friends or contacts while being totally disconnected from other people in one&#8217;s immediate surroundings, which increases the separation the latter feels. What bothers me about videoconferencing is the likelihood of worse rude behavior as people will be engaged more viscerally through their electronic devices while oblivious to everyone else locally, plus the obvious segregation created between the haves and have-nots. Finally, who will benefit most from these devices? &#8230;giant telecoms and corporate users. This could hog bandwidth, further entrench the telecoms&#8217; and corporations&#8217; domination of trade, and increase their power to track, exploit, and surveil users. It could also disqualify those who do not possess the devices from getting jobs. Technology is a double-edged sword.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Swiatecka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna Swiatecka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey. it may be empathy. psychically feeling and tuning into what all those people are feeling/thinking. their pain, their doubts. can only separate it from your own to a certain extent. like if you&#039;re psychic/empathetic you may not even realize it&#039;s their pain/thoughts, not yours. although then again there is really no their and yours. also the pain of the disconnect, that disconnect really hurts the closer you are to the people. anyway this is something i been really learning to deal with lately. glad to have found you. and comforting just to know you&#039;re out there. found you through the boom festival talk video. just from that and reading your blog now i come to learn to appreciate this pain thing more. the way you approach it. the vibe of that. your openness. so thanks :) very strange learning about empathy from a dude, but good strange. xo peace]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey. it may be empathy. psychically feeling and tuning into what all those people are feeling/thinking. their pain, their doubts. can only separate it from your own to a certain extent. like if you&#8217;re psychic/empathetic you may not even realize it&#8217;s their pain/thoughts, not yours. although then again there is really no their and yours. also the pain of the disconnect, that disconnect really hurts the closer you are to the people. anyway this is something i been really learning to deal with lately. glad to have found you. and comforting just to know you&#8217;re out there. found you through the boom festival talk video. just from that and reading your blog now i come to learn to appreciate this pain thing more. the way you approach it. the vibe of that. your openness. so thanks <img src='http://charleseisenstein.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  very strange learning about empathy from a dude, but good strange. xo peace</p>
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		<title>By: LaserDog</title>
		<link>http://charleseisenstein.net/an-alien-at-the-tech-conference/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>LaserDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eh! Maybe you screwed up. WE all do sometimes. When you said &quot;does anyone think your life will be better with more videoconferencing? Can’t we do better than that?” that may have been deeply insulting to this crowd, and neither they nor you ever got past the temporary wall that insult created for the next 40 minutes. Maybe you don&#039;t need more videoconferencing, but perhaps they feel they do. You don&#039;t need another smart oven, but some people would love to have any oven. Even those these people were professionals and had good salaries, you don&#039;t know in general their life stories. Emotionally, many tech professionals are children. Imagine looking out over an auditorium of Turkish children, destined to become engineers, some of them not from wealthy families. Some, most, of them work very hard to achieve. Now tell them the stuff they will create will be the last thing on earth that the world needs.  

Suppose instead you had talked exclusively about the nature and essence of communication without ever even mentioning technology per se. Could the outcome have been different?

Peace]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh! Maybe you screwed up. WE all do sometimes. When you said &#8220;does anyone think your life will be better with more videoconferencing? Can’t we do better than that?” that may have been deeply insulting to this crowd, and neither they nor you ever got past the temporary wall that insult created for the next 40 minutes. Maybe you don&#8217;t need more videoconferencing, but perhaps they feel they do. You don&#8217;t need another smart oven, but some people would love to have any oven. Even those these people were professionals and had good salaries, you don&#8217;t know in general their life stories. Emotionally, many tech professionals are children. Imagine looking out over an auditorium of Turkish children, destined to become engineers, some of them not from wealthy families. Some, most, of them work very hard to achieve. Now tell them the stuff they will create will be the last thing on earth that the world needs.  </p>
<p>Suppose instead you had talked exclusively about the nature and essence of communication without ever even mentioning technology per se. Could the outcome have been different?</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Frieder Krups</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frieder Krups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I admire your authenticity in describing your struggle, your courage to be vulnerable, to put light on your shadow, your genuine search for the &quot;grain of truth&quot; in the lie. So here are a couple of thoughts - and I must admit, doing this publicly rather than just dropping you an email is pushing my own boundaries... 

I have been deeply moved by the historical perspective, systemic view and pure wisdom of Sacred Economy. Yet when reading it, I was missing a couple of key aspects. And maybe that little voice inside of you feels the same. Maybe it realizes that your concepts and roadmap still lack a few key components to be able to offer real guidance to activists like me on how to most effectively support the coming systemic shifts. Yes, your book helps us envision what a new world may look like - and that is a wonderful gift for which I am deeply grateful. Yet for me at least and probably other social activists as well, it doesn&#039;t provide enough concrete direction on how to make the shift happen.

Taxing for use of commons and environmental costs, negative-interest currencies and social dividends are changes which under our present systems the government would have to initiate - and the existing power structure will do everything to resist such changes. So what can we, as social activists, do? And what role does &quot;local community&quot; play in creating the change?

You write about the importance of community, but you don&#039;t describe what it takes to rebuild community, and to rebuild it in such a way that economic and political decision making power move back to the community level. You write about the spiritual principle of having centers within centers but don&#039;t describe how that might apply to community. I have been working with villages in Northern Pakistan for the past 5 years, and in the absence of effective government, we are trying to help them implement a multi-level participatory self-governance system where both political decisions and economic activity take place as locally as possible and as centrally as necessary. And we&#039;re now trying to apply the learning from there to a major city in Germany (which is a complete new challenge of its own...)

I believe that one core aspect of trying to create our &quot;new world&quot; is to build such &quot;centers within centers&quot; from the bottom up - centers where economic, ecological, social and spiritual/cultural aspects are integrated. One thing that I have learned from my work with communities is that this takes the active cooperation of all social and ecological changemakers on each level of community. Building such an alliance is an art in itself, an art mastered by few. 

Where I see that art of &quot;alliance building&quot; especially lacking is on your level, the level of the thought leader. I know many brilliant thought leaders with partial solutions who focus on &quot;spreading their gospel&quot; instead of working together with other thought leaders to integrate their respective knowledge and wisdom. But you&#039;ll be the first one to admit that the world is too complex for anyone to have the complete solution. Only if thought leaders start cooperating actively with each other, only when they put all their puzzle pieces together, will a comprehensive picture emerge... 

Personally, I ask myself the following question, and I would love your input on this: As we succeed in building stronger participatory local community structures, is there a way that we can apply the concepts of taxing for use of commons or social dividends at the local community level? Is it a viable solution to make the taxes voluntary and use the proceeds to provide a social dividend only to those in need? If we make public who within the community pays the taxes and who does not, will that induce increasing numbers to take part in the system? Is social pressure an acceptable means of inducing change? 

In rural areas in Tibet, the villagers who volunteer their time as social mobilizers get a special flag by their house - a sign of honor. What can we do to shift our values within our local communities so that those who give the most are valued the most rather than those who own the most (this is, by the way, still the value system in rural Pakistan)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your authenticity in describing your struggle, your courage to be vulnerable, to put light on your shadow, your genuine search for the &#8220;grain of truth&#8221; in the lie. So here are a couple of thoughts &#8211; and I must admit, doing this publicly rather than just dropping you an email is pushing my own boundaries&#8230; </p>
<p>I have been deeply moved by the historical perspective, systemic view and pure wisdom of Sacred Economy. Yet when reading it, I was missing a couple of key aspects. And maybe that little voice inside of you feels the same. Maybe it realizes that your concepts and roadmap still lack a few key components to be able to offer real guidance to activists like me on how to most effectively support the coming systemic shifts. Yes, your book helps us envision what a new world may look like &#8211; and that is a wonderful gift for which I am deeply grateful. Yet for me at least and probably other social activists as well, it doesn&#8217;t provide enough concrete direction on how to make the shift happen.</p>
<p>Taxing for use of commons and environmental costs, negative-interest currencies and social dividends are changes which under our present systems the government would have to initiate &#8211; and the existing power structure will do everything to resist such changes. So what can we, as social activists, do? And what role does &#8220;local community&#8221; play in creating the change?</p>
<p>You write about the importance of community, but you don&#8217;t describe what it takes to rebuild community, and to rebuild it in such a way that economic and political decision making power move back to the community level. You write about the spiritual principle of having centers within centers but don&#8217;t describe how that might apply to community. I have been working with villages in Northern Pakistan for the past 5 years, and in the absence of effective government, we are trying to help them implement a multi-level participatory self-governance system where both political decisions and economic activity take place as locally as possible and as centrally as necessary. And we&#8217;re now trying to apply the learning from there to a major city in Germany (which is a complete new challenge of its own&#8230;)</p>
<p>I believe that one core aspect of trying to create our &#8220;new world&#8221; is to build such &#8220;centers within centers&#8221; from the bottom up &#8211; centers where economic, ecological, social and spiritual/cultural aspects are integrated. One thing that I have learned from my work with communities is that this takes the active cooperation of all social and ecological changemakers on each level of community. Building such an alliance is an art in itself, an art mastered by few. </p>
<p>Where I see that art of &#8220;alliance building&#8221; especially lacking is on your level, the level of the thought leader. I know many brilliant thought leaders with partial solutions who focus on &#8220;spreading their gospel&#8221; instead of working together with other thought leaders to integrate their respective knowledge and wisdom. But you&#8217;ll be the first one to admit that the world is too complex for anyone to have the complete solution. Only if thought leaders start cooperating actively with each other, only when they put all their puzzle pieces together, will a comprehensive picture emerge&#8230; </p>
<p>Personally, I ask myself the following question, and I would love your input on this: As we succeed in building stronger participatory local community structures, is there a way that we can apply the concepts of taxing for use of commons or social dividends at the local community level? Is it a viable solution to make the taxes voluntary and use the proceeds to provide a social dividend only to those in need? If we make public who within the community pays the taxes and who does not, will that induce increasing numbers to take part in the system? Is social pressure an acceptable means of inducing change? </p>
<p>In rural areas in Tibet, the villagers who volunteer their time as social mobilizers get a special flag by their house &#8211; a sign of honor. What can we do to shift our values within our local communities so that those who give the most are valued the most rather than those who own the most (this is, by the way, still the value system in rural Pakistan)?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Goldberg</title>
		<link>http://charleseisenstein.net/an-alien-at-the-tech-conference/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You spoke the truth as you saw it. You planted a seed,  not all seeds will fall on fertile ground all the time. I am sure, that at least one seed will grow into an idea, an opinion, possibly even an action.
All we can do is plant seeds. As you know, flowers grow in the most unlikely places.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You spoke the truth as you saw it. You planted a seed,  not all seeds will fall on fertile ground all the time. I am sure, that at least one seed will grow into an idea, an opinion, possibly even an action.<br />
All we can do is plant seeds. As you know, flowers grow in the most unlikely places.</p>
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		<title>By: Beryl Thomas</title>
		<link>http://charleseisenstein.net/an-alien-at-the-tech-conference/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Beryl Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a very insightful young man you are Charles. You do what so many are unable to do. You look into the &#039;soul&#039; of people and try to understand why they do what they do, rather than completely castigating them. We wish you well with your mission to enlighten. Thank goodness there are people like you highlighting the need for connection over separatism. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a very insightful young man you are Charles. You do what so many are unable to do. You look into the &#8216;soul&#8217; of people and try to understand why they do what they do, rather than completely castigating them. We wish you well with your mission to enlighten. Thank goodness there are people like you highlighting the need for connection over separatism. </p>
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		<title>By: Jungle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jungle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can really relate to this as I am a sales engineer working for a very large telecommunications and IT company. We sell &quot;collaboration&quot;, &quot;mobility solutions&quot;, networks, security, managed IT, etc. Yes, we have a refrigerator that can talk to a cell phone (and many more such &quot;innovations&quot;). I just want to say that if someone like you had spoken at any of the conferences that I have to go to, I would have been inwardly jumping for absolute joy to hear such ideas at a sales conference. It would have been completely inspiring, and I would have been convinced that the world was changing, slowly but surely new ideas were coming around. Having you at my conference would have been proof of this. My heart would be leaping. Outwardly though, I probably wouldn&#039;t have been doing much more than the occasional nodding. Why is that? Probably due to fear. Fear of not fitting in, fear of being looked at as being different or not a good fit for the job. Maybe someday I&#039;ll leave this line of work and find something more meaningful, but in the meantime, just know that I am probably not the only one with feelings such as this. 

By the way, I absolutely love you. I&#039;ve read your book &quot;Sacred Economics&quot;, and I think you are brilliant :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can really relate to this as I am a sales engineer working for a very large telecommunications and IT company. We sell &#8220;collaboration&#8221;, &#8220;mobility solutions&#8221;, networks, security, managed IT, etc. Yes, we have a refrigerator that can talk to a cell phone (and many more such &#8220;innovations&#8221;). I just want to say that if someone like you had spoken at any of the conferences that I have to go to, I would have been inwardly jumping for absolute joy to hear such ideas at a sales conference. It would have been completely inspiring, and I would have been convinced that the world was changing, slowly but surely new ideas were coming around. Having you at my conference would have been proof of this. My heart would be leaping. Outwardly though, I probably wouldn&#8217;t have been doing much more than the occasional nodding. Why is that? Probably due to fear. Fear of not fitting in, fear of being looked at as being different or not a good fit for the job. Maybe someday I&#8217;ll leave this line of work and find something more meaningful, but in the meantime, just know that I am probably not the only one with feelings such as this. </p>
<p>By the way, I absolutely love you. I&#8217;ve read your book &#8220;Sacred Economics&#8221;, and I think you are brilliant <img src='http://charleseisenstein.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think too that there are more narritives about how world can change. I do like your narrative very much. Yesterday evening I read for the first time your book Sacred Economy and it was a great suprise! I thank you very much  for lightening up my understanding. I can imagine that you receive a lot of love and specially from an audience which agrees with your thought and your sentiment. Though your way of looking at things cannot have a continous growth/success either. Not everyone will love you for this way of looking at things.
Its difficult to be in a situation where you dont find agreement, I think the other has this right too - not to agree.
Some people say that the self-maintaining money-system has become something like a &quot;beeing&quot; itself. I resonate with that and think it needs always to be very aware of its power which can sneak in also in a very suttle way. I am convinced, it will not want to be transformed so easily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think too that there are more narritives about how world can change. I do like your narrative very much. Yesterday evening I read for the first time your book Sacred Economy and it was a great suprise! I thank you very much  for lightening up my understanding. I can imagine that you receive a lot of love and specially from an audience which agrees with your thought and your sentiment. Though your way of looking at things cannot have a continous growth/success either. Not everyone will love you for this way of looking at things.<br />
Its difficult to be in a situation where you dont find agreement, I think the other has this right too &#8211; not to agree.<br />
Some people say that the self-maintaining money-system has become something like a &#8220;beeing&#8221; itself. I resonate with that and think it needs always to be very aware of its power which can sneak in also in a very suttle way. I am convinced, it will not want to be transformed so easily.</p>
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		<title>By: sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turky is a hot place and it gets very hot in summertime. I can immagine that those people were looking forward to being able to push a button on their smartphone to cool up their drink while beeing stuck  in a traffic-jam. Well, then they hear that they ruin the planet.
I think hippies are not better or worse than people in ties and suits. Sometimes you dont feel understood, it happens to the other as well.
What are the needs which need to be welcomed before a understanding or a change can take place?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turky is a hot place and it gets very hot in summertime. I can immagine that those people were looking forward to being able to push a button on their smartphone to cool up their drink while beeing stuck  in a traffic-jam. Well, then they hear that they ruin the planet.<br />
I think hippies are not better or worse than people in ties and suits. Sometimes you dont feel understood, it happens to the other as well.<br />
What are the needs which need to be welcomed before a understanding or a change can take place?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You were unprepared. Everyone is of equal worth and in some way engaged in their story. Your responsibility is to provide the vision of transition. If we look at technology at scale, it,s more a mirror of natures systems than we may first acknowledge. Long running physical networks with short wireless Hop off points providing an unrivaled connectedness. Natures pattern is also one of EVOLution, perhaps your gift is to envision the path of a gifted ICT technician and then your work is done. In any event when you do it right as always you&#039;ll know. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were unprepared. Everyone is of equal worth and in some way engaged in their story. Your responsibility is to provide the vision of transition. If we look at technology at scale, it,s more a mirror of natures systems than we may first acknowledge. Long running physical networks with short wireless Hop off points providing an unrivaled connectedness. Natures pattern is also one of EVOLution, perhaps your gift is to envision the path of a gifted ICT technician and then your work is done. In any event when you do it right as always you&#8217;ll know. </p>
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